Definitely a Tiger!!
TW
some of you have asked me where the name "tall penguin" comes from.
well, i came across a book called "animal attraction" about 5 years ago.
it is a personality test which pegs you as a particular animal.
Definitely a Tiger!!
TW
my apologies in advance for the long post.
this is the story i thought i'd be taking to my grave so just to have the chance to put it out there feels so freeing.
thanks for listening.
Hello Tall Penguin,
My husband, Thinker, pasted and copied your story just so I could read it. He described it as a composite of all the terrible JW saga's he has heard. I couldn't have described it better myself.
Thinker has never been a Witness, I was raised as one, and left when I was forty. What a wonderfully blissful last six years I have had.
Until just recently, I didn't really appreciate that my family shunned me. My brother (not a witness) passed away suddenly and unexepectedly May 17. My family put aside the rules for awhile and have been in contact with me. Has not been very pleasant. I have decided to shun them.
Anyway, thanks for sharing your very familiar story. And I am so glad you are healing and feeling better. As time goes on, it will become even better.
Glad your parents are supportive.
Thinkers Wife
the bills he didnt pay or tell me he didnt.
almost 55 years old.
he didnt pay for 4 months and i got a forclosure letter.
Francios,
I used to have that book. It is excellent. Someone borrowed it and never returned it.
A little update: D got a restraining order on Tom's butt, yesterday she had it extended in the length of time. Not sure if this was covered in her posted letters but, in 1997 when Tom left me, the elders requested a written description of what I lived through for over sixteen years with him. I complied. It was a heart rending account. Reading it over myself these few years later made cry. I had forgotten how bad it really was.
This letter was used by the body of elders to incriminate me. Go figure. What a bunch of idiots. They are chauvanistic. Anyway, it probably isn't even in my file with the congregation. But I saved it, and when I contacted D we scanned it and sent it in it's entirety. She is going to submit it to her elders. She said that if it got her into hot water for associating with me than so be it.
Kudo's to a brave, brave soul.
TW
the bills he didnt pay or tell me he didnt.
almost 55 years old.
he didnt pay for 4 months and i got a forclosure letter.
Just wanted to put my two cents in. I am the first wife. This man is crazy abusive, the reason I looked up his second wife was because a Witness who recently walked out on the religion called me. She and her husband are very dear to me. My mother, an active witness, tried to put her off by telling her when she called for my phone number, that I had moved to another state. My Witness mother knows very well that isn't true. The friend got through to me anyway, and after greetings, one of the first things she told me is that my ex was having marital problems. I let it go for a few days, but it was eating me up. I thought I had some idea of what she might be going through and was sure she was in desperate need of support.
I was right. The first thing I told her was to call the police and get a restraining order against. Thank God, I told her that, it happened last night, and she did that very thing.
The saga continues. The lying, hiding, covering. And yes how simple if the first set of elders that dealt with him and I had honored their promise. My belief is they never intended to. So it is happening all over again.
And then when this divorce occurs and no public information follows him, he is enabled to victimize yet another person.
Sickening isn't it?
Thinkers Wife
recently someone here wrote a thread which basically said that if a certain gb member had only spoken up and proclaimed that 1914 was a proven incorrect date, then the whole watchtower organization would have crumbled.
1914 was claimed to be the essential doctrine of the wt.
i humbly disagree.
SPECULATION!!!!!!!!! Although all of you made some very valid points, based on the JW mindset, you are all going to die forever for speculating.
But seriously, aren't we all in different stages of withdrawal from the mind controling cult? What we all really wish for, is for every current JW to wake up and be able to see the fallacy of their ruling body. Sometimes we tend to speculate at what will make them falter.
IMO, the only thing that will make them falter is for each individual to have their own doubts and gradually withdraw. Every person's style of withdrawal will be just like us, individual. I unfortunately see no mass exodus. Just one small person at a time. There may times when it is more indivuals than usual based on the gross mistakes of the GB. But still not a mass exodus.
Oh if only someone could think of something monumental enough. But it certainly is interesting reading all the viewpoints and realizing how many really intelligent people are already out!!
TW
in a thread awhile back it was mentioned that there is no atheist.. after they have a "near death experience".. .
this was news to be.it was made to sound as though..... if an atheist had this experience....he was not an atheist after the experience.
i mentioned this to my wife.....a dub.
Sentinel,
I am going to try this one more time. I have tried three times now to reply to this thread and couldn't get it to post. I thought it just wasn't meant to be. But I am going to try again.
I think it is great that you were able to embrace your experience despite the fact that you were still under the control of the JW's.
As a Witness of nearly thiry-eight years, I understand that it must have been somewhat of a dilemma. Over the years, although I have never experienced an NDE, I have had many brushes with what I can only describe as the supernatural. I created a protective armor of denial. Now that I am no longer a Witness, I am trying to embrace my experiences, and also remembering the one's in the past.
The most current thing I have going is being able to know what is in peoples minds before they actually say it. Sometimes it is most beneficial, especially when dealing with my customer's. (I have a residential cleaning business)
It doesn't freak Thinker and I out as much as it used to when we hear each others thoughts. With my side of it, sometimes I actually hear it so clearly it is as if he has spoken the thought out loud, when I verbalize it, he will tell me that was the exact words in my head. It is kind of weird, but kind of cool.
We couldn't agree more with your statement at the end of your post about spirituality and higher sources.
Thanks for sharing.
TW
friends,.
i want to thank all of you for your kind words and your support.
jan is home.
Larc,
How wonderful for both of you. I am so glad she is home!!! I know just being out of the hospital will be a big boost for Jan's spirits.
Sent a card to the hospital, I guess you will have to do a mail check there for awhile, unless they forward things to your home address.
Hmmm, Oscar. Thinker suggested "The Thing" but I like Jan's better.
Hugs and kisses to both of you!!
Love from,
Thinker and TW
i tryed to post yesterday, but i had reached my thread limit, so here is what we have learned since thursday.. jan is diabetic.
she always feared this, since it runs in her family, and she has tried to be careful with her diet.
her younger sister was diabetic from an early age, abused herself diet wise, and sadly, she died two years ago.
Larc,
Thank you so much for the detailed update!! When I spoke to Jan the other day, I too was very surprised at the strength and clarity of her voice.
She told me she was going to have another MRI, and was pretty petrified. I hope it wasn't as awful as she thought. She mentioned they were going to tranquilize her.
Thinker and I certainly have thought about all of you each and every day!! You need to eat more regularly friend. You must keep up your strength. Hug and kiss Jan voraciously for both Thinker and I.
Sending out a card tomorrow.
Love to all of you,
Thinker and TW
things went pretty well today.
my daughter was doing some laundry, underwear and such, for her mom, and she was a bit late to get me and her to the hospital.
hours start at eleven and we go there about noon.
Larc,
I am so happy to hear of the good progress. Please check your email, as I would like to call Zazzu on the phone at the hospital!!!
Give her a great big hug and grin from me.
Love to you both,
TW
Well of all the really weird coincidences. I haven't been on the board for months, and the first time I do, what thread pops up?
I have been thinking about you for months wondering how you are!!!
Hope all is well. Take a minute out of your busy schedule and email me little woman.
Hugs,
TW